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Put differently: The question is not how to spread #federation and, subsequently, how to cope w/ an avalanche of new people. Rather, the question is how we can avoid to be the guinea pigs for some military research studying us & how communication under pressure proceeds in distributed networks. That is: How we can stay true to ourselves when the cat pics overwhelm the dents & force the servers to their knees? #Censorship in the name of #freedom ?
well, on a personal level I remember you doing this, or? you don't subscribe to everybody, but selectively. (But you probably get hit by e.g. me greeting others and so. Which is probably not so ideal for you)
@simsa0 on the non-individual level: I think we can do better, by forcing splitting of users. I remember Hannes' joke some days ago. something like: it's not true we stopped registration so people learn about federation, s.th . like that. It won't please the newcomers, but it's in their/our interest. Hoping that by that only people stay who like the federation idea (and the others go away again ;-))
"Why should #federation grow at all?" well, we see that it's not so much growing. For me: it's about meeting like-minded people. E.g. it was a great pleasure to see and talk with @lohang while he set up his instance. Believe me, if I wanted: I'd be running the biggest instances in the !fediverse . And not only the biggest, probably the top10 biggest. But I invest my time not in that, I like to educate them more
Sorry, doing what? OTOH: I very much have content-spam & littering other people's TLs in mind, esp. when in the federation I receive every dent of one to whom I subscribe to, not just his/her dents to those whom I happen to subscribe to as well. So, yes, too many subscriptions are a problem/burden for me.
@simsa0 other things an individuum can do is: f.ck on the publicity level of !gs and use 1:1 or 1:few systems (!twister, !bitmessage ), there one will also meet like-minded people...
I remembered one dent of yours, that you also look to whom user A writes/subscribes to.
Does that answer the question "Why should federation grow at all?" or your question "What could others motivate to join us"? Well, why should they? And if they want, there are already good enough venues to start with. I co-authored Quitter's FAQ partly b/c I wanted to give newcomers an idea of what they are dealing w/, what awaits them, & what they have to learn in order to get along, even on a basic level. Which is, for newbie, quite a lot. No wonder m…
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Yes, one thing I "check" is his/her subscriptions. As the news that is important to me will finally reach me, it is not important to subscribe to the "most intersting" people, but often to those on whose repeats one can rely on. Another criterion, besides content, attitude, style, is of course, tone, the denter's voice. Do I like it or not? That is often even more important to me than the content, so I can bear some boring stuff when the voice is right. ;-)
it was about the cat-pic spamming and what the individuum can do (have to use the oppotunity for a hierarchical threading pic :-)) https://fediverse.com/attachment/8749
I did a cat-spamming !?! Where? When? Really? Ouch. -- I like your hierarchical threading pic. Can we have such a feature for gnusocial? We _paint_ the hierarchies, yes!
"Why should federation grow at all?": I believe that federation only grows by those who will run the instances themselves. Let's forget !gs for a minute. And look at !pumpio : from UI level we know how bad it is, for a user who doesn't want to admin it. But if the "right" techies use it, it will grow.
cat-spamming: you didn't. it was this: "Why do you think you'll get anything else than more cat pics & Justin Bieber videos. Do you really want that?"
well, not having anymore hierarchical threading hurt !gnusocial , deeply
well, I mean it's there, but well, you know what I mean
This is interesting! You conceive of the growth of the federation in terms of the number of servers/nodes involved (and whether it increases). I see it primarily in the number of people using such nodes and the number of (mutual) followings that thusly interconnect the servers/nodes. Your take spreads federation outwards, mine rather inwards.
yeah, I see it more form the view: what #protects the whole, and that is the servers: e.g. by saving the other server's messages; offering refuge when other is down; ...
Point taken, good food for thought.