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  1. ryan (ryan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 17:11:09 CET ryan ryan
    Does anyone have a simple introduction to #federated networks? Is it worth me making one to get people interested and spread the word?
    Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 17:11:09 CET from comrade.ovh permalink
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    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 17:31:10 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
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      • Roland Häder
      #federation: think about what made you join us. perhaps that could also motivate others? see also (1), (2) and (3). (1) http://skilledtests.com/wiki/Federation (2) http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/List_of_Federated_Communication_Platforms (3) http://federation.skilledtests.com
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 17:31:10 CET permalink
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    • Roland Häder (roland)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 17:35:43 CET Roland Häder Roland Häder
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      • Erkan Yılmaz
      • Roland Häder
      @erkan Global #corporates don't (yet) exist here, so with our data and written text, no money is made. I feel more safe on my own instance because I'm in control of it entirely and not just over some WUIs.
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 17:35:43 CET permalink
    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 19:48:01 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
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      • Roland Häder
      • GNU social
      "so with our data and written text, no #money is made.": do we know that? your licence there + the standard !gs licence is cc-by, which allows using your data for commercial purposes. Even if not now, later, since it's harvested now by bot, searche engines
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 19:48:01 CET permalink
    • Roland Häder (roland)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 19:55:02 CET Roland Häder Roland Häder
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      • Erkan Yılmaz
      • Roland Häder
      Okay, I basicly mean #facebook -s #terms & #conditions. :-)
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 19:55:02 CET permalink
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    • simsa0 (simsa0)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 20:45:09 CET simsa0 simsa0
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      • Erkan Yılmaz
      Why should #federation grow at all? Why do so many applaud every influx of new "users" (a term whose popular meaning stems from substance abuse) -- especially when many features are still not there or not well functioning? What do you hope to achieve w/ people flooding the servers? Or rather: Why do you think you'll get anything else than more cat pics & Justin Bieber videos. Do you really want that? As far as I can see, the project/endeavour that keeps …
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 20:45:09 CET permalink

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    • simsa0 (simsa0)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 20:51:40 CET simsa0 simsa0
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      • Erkan Yılmaz
      Put differently: The question is not how to spread #federation and, subsequently, how to cope w/ an avalanche of new people. Rather, the question is how we can avoid to be the guinea pigs for some military research studying us & how communication under pressure proceeds in distributed networks. That is: How we can stay true to ourselves when the cat pics overwhelm the dents & force the servers to their knees? #Censorship in the name of #freedom ?
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 20:51:40 CET permalink
    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 20:57:37 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
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      • simsa0
      • Roland Häder
      well, on a personal level I remember you doing this, or? you don't subscribe to everybody, but selectively. (But you probably get hit by e.g. me greeting others and so. Which is probably not so ideal for you)
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 20:57:37 CET permalink
    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:00:02 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
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      • Erkan Yılmaz
      • simsa0
      • Roland Häder
      @simsa0 on the non-individual level: I think we can do better, by forcing splitting of users. I remember Hannes' joke some days ago. something like: it's not true we stopped registration so people learn about federation, s.th. like that. It won't please the newcomers, but it's in their/our interest. Hoping that by that only people stay who like the federation idea (and the others go away again ;-))
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:00:02 CET permalink
    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:02:31 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
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      • lohang0moved0to0quitter
      • simsa0
      • the federated universe
      • Roland Häder
      "Why should #federation grow at all?" well, we see that it's not so much growing. For me: it's about meeting like-minded people. E.g. it was a great pleasure to see and talk with @lohang while he set up his instance. Believe me, if I wanted: I'd be running the biggest instances in the !fediverse. And not only the biggest, probably the top10 biggest. But I invest my time not in that, I like to educate them more
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:02:31 CET permalink
    • simsa0 (simsa0)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:11:55 CET simsa0 simsa0
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      • Erkan Yılmaz
      Sorry, doing what? OTOH: I very much have content-spam & littering other people's TLs in mind, esp. when in the federation I receive every dent of one to whom I subscribe to, not just his/her dents to those whom I happen to subscribe to as well. So, yes, too many subscriptions are a problem/burden for me.
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:11:55 CET permalink
    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:15:38 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
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      • Erkan Yılmaz
      • simsa0
      • bitmessage
      • GNU social
      • Roland Häder
      @simsa0 other things an individuum can do is: f.ck on the publicity level of !gs and use 1:1 or 1:few systems (!twister, !bitmessage), there one will also meet like-minded people...
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:15:38 CET permalink
    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:17:27 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
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      • simsa0
      • Roland Häder
      I remembered one dent of yours, that you also look to whom user A writes/subscribes to.
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:17:27 CET permalink
    • simsa0 (simsa0)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:36:17 CET simsa0 simsa0
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      • Erkan Yılmaz
      Does that answer the question "Why should federation grow at all?" or your question "What could others motivate to join us"? Well, why should they? And if they want, there are already good enough venues to start with. I co-authored Quitter's FAQ partly b/c I wanted to give newcomers an idea of what they are dealing w/, what awaits them, & what they have to learn in order to get along, even on a basic level. Which is, for newbie, quite a lot. No wonder m…
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:36:17 CET permalink

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    • simsa0 (simsa0)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:39:15 CET simsa0 simsa0
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      • Erkan Yılmaz
      Yes, one thing I "check" is his/her subscriptions. As the news that is important to me will finally reach me, it is not important to subscribe to the "most intersting" people, but often to those on whose repeats one can rely on. Another criterion, besides content, attitude, style, is of course, tone, the denter's voice. Do I like it or not? That is often even more important to me than the content, so I can bear some boring stuff when the voice is right. ;-)
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:39:15 CET permalink
    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:43:37 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
      in reply to
      • simsa0
      • Roland Häder
      it was about the cat-pic spamming and what the individuum can do (have to use the oppotunity for a hierarchical threading pic :-)) https://fediverse.com/attachment/8749
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:43:37 CET permalink
    • simsa0 (simsa0)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:56:40 CET simsa0 simsa0
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      • Erkan Yılmaz
      I did a cat-spamming !?! Where? When? Really? Ouch. -- I like your hierarchical threading pic. Can we have such a feature for gnusocial? We _paint_ the hierarchies, yes!
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 21:56:40 CET permalink
    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:00:31 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
      in reply to
      • simsa0
      • pumpio
      • GNU social
      • Roland Häder
      "Why should federation grow at all?": I believe that federation only grows by those who will run the instances themselves. Let's forget !gs for a minute. And look at !pumpio: from UI level we know how bad it is, for a user who doesn't want to admin it. But if the "right" techies use it, it will grow.
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:00:31 CET permalink
    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:04:20 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
      in reply to
      • simsa0
      • Roland Häder
      cat-spamming: you didn't. it was this: "Why do you think you'll get anything else than more cat pics & Justin Bieber videos. Do you really want that?"
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:04:20 CET permalink
    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:04:57 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
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      • simsa0
      • GNU social
      • Roland Häder
      well, not having anymore hierarchical threading hurt !gnusocial, deeply
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:04:57 CET permalink
    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:05:13 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
      in reply to
      • Erkan Yılmaz
      • Roland Häder
      well, I mean it's there, but well, you know what I mean
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:05:13 CET permalink
    • simsa0 (simsa0)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:08:33 CET simsa0 simsa0
      in reply to
      • Erkan Yılmaz
      This is interesting! You conceive of the growth of the federation in terms of the number of servers/nodes involved (and whether it increases). I see it primarily in the number of people using such nodes and the number of (mutual) followings that thusly interconnect the servers/nodes. Your take spreads federation outwards, mine rather inwards.
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:08:33 CET permalink
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    • Erkan Yılmaz (erkan)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:12:31 CET Erkan Yılmaz Erkan Yılmaz
      in reply to
      • simsa0
      • Roland Häder
      yeah, I see it more form the view: what #protects the whole, and that is the servers: e.g. by saving the other server's messages; offering refuge when other is down; ...
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:12:31 CET permalink
    • simsa0 (simsa0)'s status on Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:18:37 CET simsa0 simsa0
      in reply to
      • Erkan Yılmaz
      Point taken, good food for thought.
      Saturday, 31-Jan-2015 22:18:37 CET permalink
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