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@johnnynull do the thousands of people who accidentally shoot themselves or others count as 'thoughtless' killers? #philosoraptor
@reality Mindless? Hapless?
@whistlewright cool, thanks for the reply.
@johnnynull No, I misunderstood. I thought you said everyone has guns, so we can defend ourselves from looters. But if they have guns too...
@johnnynull Well, we have that number, and if we can't feed them they can get angry. If you're doing fine and they're not, you're a target.
@johnnynull I'm not sure there's wildlife to feed everybody. We have quotas as it is. If people actually *need* to hunt, stock will dwindle.
@johnnynull It didn't take 300M people to drive the buffalo to extinction. We won't have Brazilian soy to feed the domesticated animals.
@clacke Again, not my job to feed them. Also I've already explained this is far more unlikely than this panic you're describing.
@clacke Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. Not my job, nor was it the question. I also stated that our population may not be ideal.
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@johnnynull "He explained it very clearly, not his job to feed us." "Oh. We'll get used not eating. Sorry for the misunderstanding, sir!"
@clacke Are you attempting to require me to solve world hunger problems?
@johnnynull The question was what would happen if we removed electricity. I'm contesting that anybody will be fine when society collapses.
@johnnynull If you think our population is reasonable or if it's your job to feed them doesn't factor in.
@johnnynull I guess if you're far from a city you'll be fine longer than most.
@whistlewright Ha, bookmarked that! Thanks for sharing!
@clacke Unless I'm mistaken, the question was how would YOU fare. And no, you're contesting that EVERYONE will be fine.
cool ,thanks!
I think the main thing we lack for a 3-day-outage would be fresh water.
@johnnynull I'm saying the mob will. Respect for property requires a functioning judicial system.
@nds Yes, it did occur to me that most places' tap water depends on electric pumps. Once tower tanks empty, water is done.
@johnnynull Yeah, well, if only my electricity were gone I guess I'd be alright somehow, just not coding. But if all of it: Full collapse.
@nds I think there'd be a lot more campfires and folk music, perhaps. On the other hand, overcrowding might become much more noticable.
@clacke @johnnynull I may be confused, I am following too many interesting threads but societal collapses do not lead to a bright Utopian world. They always seem to lead to brutality and totalitarianism. The ones with the guns will make the rules. Respect for private property isn't going to happen in a collapse.
@nds Print this while you can! :D http://www.survivorlibrary.com/?page_id=1014
@johnnynull Currently without #gentoo and #sabayon as i think it’s just like it would be fine, but i do more than i am
@x11r5 You're currently without #Gentoo or #Sabayon because you're still running your old #WinXP / #Linspire dual-boot. #time_to_upgrade
@nds Despite being in emergency management, most of $EMPLOYER's workforce (myself included) ends up liquidating any reserves during long spaces between assignments. Thus, a widespread lack of electricity would soon trigger a "Grapes of Wrath" style migration.
@lnxw48 We’re still on the dual-pane thing. I also prefer exhumation instead of the time
There would be any doomsday. Initial fear, panic, confusion, yes, but those would be alleviated and overcome by our compassion, cooperation, our desire for community, our sense of connectedness. Life would actually be better, I think, at least in the first years.
There would *not* be any doomsday. Initial fear, panic, confusion, yes, but those would be alleviated and overcome by our compassion, cooperation, our desire for community, our sense of connectedness. Life would actually be better, I think, at least in the first years.
@x11r5 Forget exhuming your old #WinXP / #Linspire dual-boot. #time_to_upgrade to #Debian.
We'd be fine for a few days, but then fresh water crunch would presumably hit, and that's when things would get interesting. I think the only real hope is cooperation with neighbors, to be honest. I'm so dependent on others for services, it is unlikely I could shift gears and become self-reliant in an emergency situation. But we could all help each other, and I hope that would be the at-large response in any community emergency.
It usually is. Just see the collaboration happening in any major emergency like earthquake, wildfire, even war. It's just survivalist self-delusion that paints this picture of marauding bands coming after you. Little basis in reality, just acting out -- or rather: envisioning how to face -- ones fear.
maybe not "doomsday" but tons and tons of people would die that are currently ill. The number of pe…